These are such excellent pants. It’s pretty rare (at least for me) to find hiking pants that just fit, and so I was pleasantly surprised when I put these on and…that was it. No tugging or adjusting or regrets about last night’s dessert. The waist hits my actual waist (and it’s elastic), my thighs aren’t constricted, the pockets are in the right place and are the right depth. I can SQUAT in these without having to hitch them up, so there will be no problem with days and days of stairs (looking at you Frenchman’s cap…) I took them for a first spin on a drizzly, muggy Sydney day and they were great. Loose and breathable enough that I didn’t want to rip them off my body, but enough protection to stop the leeches. I’m about 5 4” and I’ll need to take a bit off the hem, but apart from that, I love them as-is. Would highly recommend.